Wednesday, 11 July 2012

Jacobite unit formations/ratios for BLB2



Back in January I posted a question on the League of Augsburg Fighting Talk Forum.
It was concerning what ratio pike to shot,  Barry and Clarence had made and planned to make their Jacobite units, using Beneath the Lily Banners rules.
They both kindly shared their info with me, as at the time I was clueless!!
Reading through Alan McNally's Osprey "The Battle of the Boyne", I came across a list entitled
 " Extract of the Review of the Royal Army, which took place on 1/2 October 1689. Sent by Commissary Fumeron with his letter dated 15th October 1689" 
Source Archives Nationales, Depot de la Guerre, Ref A895, Document 1906(25)
With this list I roughly (I'm crap at math) worked out the ratio of pike to shot, this then gave me the split between Pike and shot stands for BLB2.
You may not agree with my workings out, and whose to say how many of these men mentioned actually made it to any of the battles, but it may help you in deciding the make-up of your Jacobite forces.

Unit
Firearms
Pike
Unarmed
Ratio
BLB Formation






James’ Foot Guards
926
167
-
11-2
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Antrim’s
411
46
56
10-1
All Musket
Bagnal
256
204
-
5-4
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Bellow’s
635
185
-
3-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Boissleau’s
676
276
-
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Clancarty
202
18
-
5-1
ALL Musket
Clanrickarde
436
201
44
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Cormac O’Neill
710
290
205
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Creagh
444
125
-
3-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Dillon
641
380
215
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Edward Butler
455
203
14
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Eustace
395
208
130
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Galway
297
91
30
3-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Gormanstan
404
105
12
4-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Grace
163
163
-
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Grand Prior
360
196
54
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Hamilton
230
82
30
3-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Kenmure
543
80
103
6-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike
Killmallock
438
213
-
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Macarthy Mor
262
124
32
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Mountcashel
195
130
-
3-2
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Nugent
504
71
-
7-1
All Musket
Oxburgh
205
80
-
3-2
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Richard Butler
224
120
-
2-1
2 Musket - 1 Pike
Slane
474
0
16

All Musket
Thomas Butler
223
58
117
4-1
3 Musket - 1 Pike

41 comments:

  1. Anyway, that's a great unit, flags are, once again, wonderful...looking so nice, great work Ray!

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  2. That data really shows the drop off of the pike as an important weapon. I'm not familiar with this period is this when the bayonet was introduced?

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    1. Yep, first of all the plug bayonet then the clip on one a little later.

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  3. That's a lot of guys turning up unarmed! Surely they'd find some kind of weapon? I'm sure I'd manage to find something to stick in between me and the bad guys if I were in their shoes!

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  4. Your sheet will be invaluable in the case of a scenario.

    And of course, nice unit there. How many finished units do you have for the period, Ray?

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    1. Not too sure, I'll be posting a couple of pics of the whole collection soon.

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  5. Maybe the unarmed men were just there to support their unit? The hooligans of that time period! :-D

    Nice painted unit and flags Ray!

    Greetings
    Peter
    http://peterscave.blogspot.be/

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  6. Like you I'm appalling when it comes to maths, but I'm sure a great many will appreciate your workings out!

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  7. The figures are beautiful.

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  8. nicely done mini's Ray. I haven't a clue either but it seems to sort of make sense

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  9. Unit looks good and the chart looks reasonable enough.

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  10. This is the part of gaming that I have the most respect for. The lengths you guys will go to in order to be historically accurate. That's a lot of unarmed men Ray. I'm wondering if any of these guys were carrying cudgels or had things from their farms that could be used as weapons.

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    1. I expect they had anything that they could get a hold of, like you said farm implements and lumps of wood!

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  11. Ray: if you've planed to paint all the regiments with the same number of soldiers, I think that it's too much even for you!!!!

    very good work !

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    1. If only I had the time and money????

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  12. Uh. Too advanced for me to grasp? I don't even know.

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  13. Lol - I have the same chart on my computer, made from the same reference!

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  14. Nice overview, thanks for sharing!

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  15. I am sure this will be of use to those building armies for thie period. Good of you to share

    Ian

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  16. Nice workings there. Agreed with Anne on the fact that it is impressive that you guys are so passionate about making sure that the forces are historically accurate as much as possible.

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  17. Thanks Ray, that's a really interesting table. It's interesting to see some fully musket armed battalions alongside 2:1 shot/pike battalions. The former look very 18th Century, and the latter could be from the ECW! I guess that's not that surprising given the real mix of Jacobite forces - I'm guessing there was little time, and perhaps not the will, to standardise. Very interesting stuff. The figures look very good indeed as well! Great stuff!

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    1. That's one thing I like about this period, its an in-between period, a bit of ECE and a bit of WSS.

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  18. I am totally impressed as I got completely lost!

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    1. not the kind of level of detail I'm into with my units!

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  19. Ray, have you had a chance to play version 2 yet? I'm curious how it compares to the original?

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    1. Its quite different, Barry made a few changes which have improved the rules no end. Check out this link, its the last BLB2 game we played, http://onelover-ray.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/la-bataille-de-deux-ponts-1693.html

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  20. What are you trying to do, get me interested in another period!? That's a great looking unit - nicely done.

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  21. Nice bit of research there, Ray! Very handy - well done.
    -Curt

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  22. Very nice mini's and very in-depth research. Taking the extra mile as usual ray.

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  23. Very helpful Ray to certain people!

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  24. your the boy..:( now even more painting to be done...
    THANKS!!!!
    good stuff as usual
    john

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