I was asked on TMP what Order of Battle we used for our Battle of the Boyne game at Broadside earlier in the month. So here it is, it mainly comes from the Osprey "The Battle of the Boyne". Most of the troops used were present at the Battle but some weren't! So don't shoot me!
And there´s the Problem. The battle of the Boyne..like the battle of bannockburn, quite an important battle but does anyone know exactly who was there and in what numbers? Nope.
ReplyDeleteI think you´re right in going for the osprey lists..exactly what I´m going to do for bannockburn.
Sod all the bl++ding looking up loads of different lists etc..and getting different Input from here n´there. .I reckon a good idea is for all of us wargamers or collectors to use the Osprey as a Basis for colours / numbers / peronalities and there´s an end to it! :-D
Absolutely right, drives me up the bloody wall. Even in the Osprey book the author Michael McNally, says that another regt may (may) have been in the Jacobite lines, Dudley Bagnall's Foot???? I ummed and aared about painting the unit up and including it in the game, but chose not to in the end, but I did make a flag for them though!!!!
DeleteNot shooting the messenger.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely not...........unless his name is Fran of course!
DeleteNo shooting Fran, either.
DeleteThanks for sharing Ray
ReplyDeleteNo probs Scotty!
DeleteArmy lists drive me nuts, especially when they are supposed to be historically accurate. If I have learned anything about history, its that there is no such thing as 100% accuracy. As wargamers (rather than historians) we need a cut-off point where we say "That's accurate enough for me, lets get on and play the damned game".
ReplyDeleteThis is the problem with doing historical battles, the info's just not out there for most of them!!
DeleteWe won't shoot you Ray, but we might slap you around a bit.
ReplyDeleteHey, have fun in the shed and write us up a report!
Thanks Anne, that's very kind of you.
DeleteThanks for sharing Ray. It's only when you see the OOB that you realise just how outnumbered Jimmy was.
ReplyDeleteYep! he really shouldn't have sent the other half of his army down the river towards Rossnare, but of course that's easy to say in hindsight.
DeleteNice OB. I agree with the other comments about accuracy. When I am developing a scenario, I look for a reasonable source. Ospreys certainly qualify as such. I rarely use more than one source for an OB. It's a game...
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely Mike, but it still upsets some people??
DeleteI think the bottom line is to use a OOB from some source and stick with it. There's probably no one correct source in any event and I'd feel free to tinker with any OOB if it made for more of an even game - Troop quality and the like are all subjective.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you could do any better than using Ospreys.
Your right, some time you do have to change the odd bots and bobs of a game just to make it playable. In our game I had to restrict the movement of the Williamites, if not they'd have smashed the Jacobites in a couple of turns.
DeleteI am actually quite shocked by the numbers of King Billy's side vs Seamus's forces. Still you list as good as anyone else's that I have seen and look good to me.
ReplyDeleteA very good list, Ray. Thank you a lot.
ReplyDeleteOK gamers, need some help! All indications are that Maj. General Carolus Emmons fought at the Battle of Boyne for The King and Queen. Haven't been able to find anything yet to prove that, so I thought you gamers may have more info since you are living history. If you have ANY info on Sir Emmons, please contact me. cruiser54@charter.net
ReplyDeleteI'll see if I can dig anything up.
DeleteThanks Ray. Just ran across a book which details the Battle of Boyne and the Battle of Aughrim July 12, 1691. His name was nowhere to be found. I might just be barking up a tree here. If you find anything, let me know.
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